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Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby Italiankissgirl » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:22 pm

What do you think?  Should the dad's have a say whether or not their baby is aborted?

About 15  years ago, there was this woman here who made headlines cause she wanted an abortion but her boyfriend (who she was no longer seeing) wanted her to keep the baby...or have it and give it to him)  She didn't want to..she was already in her 2 second trimester...

She could no longer get an abortion here...I think abortion was still illegal in Canada then but I may be wrong...I think you needed the approval of 2 doctors if I recall to have one.

Anyways....he fought her in court....but in the end, she ended up going to the States to have one. So what do you all think?  Does the dad have rights to his baby or does the pregnant woman make the decision on HER body and what to do with it?


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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:11 am

Well, the woman is the one who has to carry the baby for 9 months, go thru labor and give birth to the baby, and also do most of the feeding and looking after of the baby... so as far as I'm concerned, it's her decision. Especially if we aren't together any more. :rolleyes4 I might tell her what I want her to do with her pregnancy, but in the end it's up to her cuz all the shit will fall on her and not me. All I'm doing is cumming inside her.
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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby Lenora » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:23 pm

I think it depends on the circumstances.

If they're married, I do think the husband should have SOME say.

But ultimately it's the woman's body & the final decision should be with her.
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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby BostonIRISH » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:09 am

Since I never been in this situation thankfully..there are some men out there that encourage a abortion, since they dont want this responsibility.  Rarely have I heard  with the people I  have known, that there boyfriends or what ever they are at the time are "thrilled" with the fact they will be paying child support for the next 18 or so yrs.  In the article you posted..I think the guy is great, that he wants his x to have the baby and he will take care of it.
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:17 pm

Yeah, but he's not the one to go thru labor and carry the baby for 9 months is he? :rolleyes4
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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby BostonIRISH » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:51 pm

No..But obvisouly he's man enough to take the, up bringing responsibility, ALSO..it is his child TOO, that he helped concive. Any one can have a child..not everyone can be a parent. :wink:
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:52 pm

Then he can find himself a willing woman to have his kid... to me, that's fucking selfish to force a woman to go thru all that. :rolleyes4
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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby Lenora » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:16 pm

OK.  Just playing a little bit Devil's Advocate here.

Why shouldn't she have to go through the pregnancy & labor?  If she spead her legs willingly and is as responsible for getting knocked-up just as much as her partner is, and if he is willing to raise the baby himself, why shouldn't she be obligated?

Now I'm not talking about if she was raped or if the pregnancy is a danger to her life.  Those are definately different situations.

I'm just talking about taking responsibility for one's own actions.

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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:37 am

And I'm also doing the same... what if the guy wanted the woman to have an abortion cuz he didn't want to take responsibility for the child? What if he was fighting for the right to stop the woman from keeping her child, would you all be on his side then? :rolleyes4 I happen to have a personal stake in this, as my father tried to make my mother have an abortion when she was pregnant with me cuz he didn't want any more kids... good thing he didn't have any legal rights from where I'm standing, damn good thing. :rolleyes4
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Postby Guest » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:42 pm

Yes, he should have a say... And if he says "Yes, abort it.", but she makes the decision to keep it... It should be HER responsibilty to support it, not his...

(Oh, shit... I'm gonna take flack for that one)
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:23 pm

I'd agree with that actually. And even if she doesn't want the father to have visitation rights, he should have them anyway.
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Postby Rock Soldier » Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:50 pm

I'm not touching this one...I know I have kids waiting for me somewhere...

I always said No ...Don't ...But it's not my decision, guilt or punishment if there will be one...

I do believe I have a daughter though. Her name is Aubrey... she would be 14 right now.

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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby bassbob » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:21 am

Many years ago :lol: , my first wife was pregnant, and she wanted an abortion, mostly because she was afraid of ruining her body. I was vehemently opposed. I loved her and I loved my unborn child. I followed her to the clinic and exhausted myself trying to talk her out of it. When her turn came I panicked and became very vocal and was removed from the clinic by police. I did not become violent or anything but, apparently it is against the law for the father to throw a fit in an abortion clinic. Anyway, she ended up cheating on me and we divorced. She is now married to that guy ( a redneck, truck driver) and I am married to a wonderful woman and have a 15 year old step daughter. My wife is in remission from lymphoma and is apparently unable to become pregnant, either that or I am shooting blanks nowadays. My family name will die with me and I still have nightmares about my dead, unborn child.
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:57 am

I still stand by my views; I feel for you and what you went thru, but I can't change my mind. It's just one step from allowing a father to be able to force his wife to give birth when she doesn't want to to being able to force her to have sex when she doesn't want to. In the end, it's her body and her choice, and it should stay that way.
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Re: Do you think fathers should have a say if a woman gets an abortion?

Postby bassbob » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:17 pm

Yeah, ya know I pretty much agree with you, I wasn't trying to change your mind, it was just a post I could relate to, so I replied with my experience.
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Postby Space Lion » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:42 pm

I'll admit I'm not the best person to ask an opinion on this from but here goes.

Personally I think abortion shouldn't be legal except in cases of incest and rape.  Too many chicks use it as a form of birth control.  If she is dumb enough not to take precautions to avoid getting preganent in the first place she should have the baby and give it up for adoption.  I mean, do any of you have any idea how many couples and singles in this country alone can't have children for some reason or another?    So quit bitching and think of it as punishment for being to stupid to keep your damn legs together to begin with.
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:36 am

In fact, most kids put up for adoption don't actually get adopted; they just sit in childrens homes or are shunted from foster home to foster home. The regulations for adoption over here are so convoluted that most childless couples end up going abroad to adopt, for example to China. Plus, it's only so called perfect children, mostly babies, who get adopted; there are thousands of Downs Syndrome, autistic, mentally and physically disabled and otherwise affected kids who languish in childrens homes cuz of this.

Fact is, adoption isn't the fairy tale "Every kid gets a nice home with lovely people" story that pro-lifers would have you believe. Childrens homes too are rife with abuse, both physical and sexual, resulting in very damaged children who when they are finally released as adults, often go right into crime. Rather than force Little Miss Crack Whore to give birth constantly, how about having her forcably sterilised? I'd personally advocate that in cases like you're suggesting.

Also, some of these girls keep their babies and the babies end up either dying from neglect or abuse, or growing up to be sexually or physically abused by the girl's boyfriend(s). In cases like this, better out of life than in it. Even if the baby is given up, it may have permanent damage from Little Miss Crack Whore's lifestyle; for example, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, or damage from the mother taking drugs in pregnancy.

Even the effects from self abortion count; true, not many people are going to care if Little Miss Crack Whore dies from giving herself an air embolism from an attempt to syringe soapy water up herself, but someone is still dying from it, the fetus and the mother. Plus, a failed self abortion can seriously damage the growing fetus.

In conclusion, I'd say abortion is a necessary evil; true, some people abuse it, but that's nothing to the misery that would happen if it were made illegal.
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Postby Space Lion » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:45 pm

Adoption and the foster care system are very different here then where you live.  Here you have to go through the same classes and inspection to adopt internationally as you do to adopt through foster care.  The only way you get out of the classes and inspections is if you do private infant adoption through a lawyer.  

My husband and I aren't able to have children of our own because we are both carriers for two different fatal genetic disorders.    If you will remember though I told you a few weeks ago that our son would be home in September.  We are adopting him through the Texas foster care system.  

Now, I will admit that I have heard a few horror stories about children in foster care.  However you can't tank the whole system and say oh-well to all of the kids just because of those cases.
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Postby The Anti-Crisst » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:48 pm

I'm not doing that at all; just pointing out that most kids don't get adopted. Statistics sadly back me up; sometimes, abortion is better. And why save a fetus when a woman could try and abort herself? There were loads of deaths by illegal abortion; we don't want to go back to those days.

I'm not about to go off on one, but you're viewing this from an emotional viewpoint, whereas I'm trying to look at it objectively. Yes, it sucks when couples can't conceive, and when stupid sluts use abortian as birth control, but there's a need for it, and it shouldn't be just for rape and incest victims. A woman should have control over her body at all times; just as anyone else should.
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